Last year, I decided to go back to India for good even though I had a green card and home in the US. So, leaving my $150K salary, SUV, house and sending all the stuff back home, I decided to go back to “my” home country India. It was all good until I was approached to interview by MGSI – Microsoft Global Services, India, which is a 100% subsidiary of MCS, USA. For the client “MGSI” is invisible. It is just MCS.
I had a lot of telephonic interviews, and finally got called to Hyderabad India for my final face to face interview. I was happy because I always wanted to join Microsoft as my work experience is mostly in MS Technologies. I completed a practical test with a fully working demo, which passed with flying colors. Then I cleared my final interview with one of the directors in MGSI. So far so good. The only thing was the people there looked dull and morose, and this stuck in my mind when I went back home.
You know Indian families – they were overjoyed that I got in Microsoft, and I decided to join. I was very trusting of Microsoft as they are a very large company and I always admired them. I joined even before getting a formal letter or knowing the exact terms. It took them 3 weeks to give me the letter which had weird details like a slightly different salary structure than what I expected (in the US, if it is 100K, it is 100K, not 75K actually). This was the first sign that things were run differently in India. Then it had really draconian terms like 90 day notice period or otherwise I would have to pay them 2 months salary and relocation costs.
MS has the weird policy that if they took in a person for a particular position, even if the hired person had no idea or experience with that technology, without giving any training on the same, they would simply put him in a project on that technology.
I did get time to study and I did study and worked without too much difficulty in a large project. I have to say one thing about MGSI that these people have no culture or respect for others. The office was the worst kind of hostile, abusive environment I have ever seen in my experience. Even if you did do good work, it was not acknowledged, and people would treat you brutally.
I talked to people who worked there for several years, and no one was happy working there. This is because everyone knows that SharePoint is built on very old and very ancient COM technology and is very difficult to work with. Nobody wanted to work on it, but they were forced to, because usually the work done by MGSI was that which nobody wanted to touch in the US.
I also learnt that Microsoft does not care about anything except making money, even if it means selling what everyone knew as bad obsolete technology, if it meant they could make money out of licenses.
So, the morale was very, very low. In addition to all of these constraints, people had to travel a lot during the year, get paid in rupees, while they hardly got to stay at home with family. You would be in places like Egypt, South Africa or Vietnam all the time. The worst thing was this was the first large company where even people who worked there for a long time were unhappy with it. In the words of one person: “I hate it here, I wish I could leave, but I can’t”. He never told me why exactly he couldn’t leave even though he had been working there for a long time.
Very many people started leaving MS, because of this they added this draconian 90 day notice period to the employment agreement.
I worked there for a few months, and in the meantime, explained the problems to my manager who told me that, they already knew that this guy was abusive, disrupting work and were working on it. I made the mistake of believing him, only to find out that they kept him in the same position, and actually gave him a promotion. So, thing obviously got very bad.
I had great difficult keeping my hands off this guy towards the end, because I wanted to slap him hard the next time he said something rude and brutal.
Anyway, to cut a long story short, I resigned one fine day, and went away. I explained the truth in my resignation letter and talked to a few managers. I definitely did not want to work in a company like this.
The truth about Microsoft in India is that, they hire very talented people through extensive interviews. Maybe one in 300, and give them really junk work which nobody in the US wants to touch. If by mistake, some good work does come to India, then when focus shifts to that, they move it back to Redmond. Some of the people they hire come from outside the country like me. And we feel very let down by this experience.
This is true exploitation of talented Indian software engineers and making sure that, they never get a chance to realize their true potential. It is like taking the best grads from a college and making them work in an abusive sweatshop environment. This is the worst part about Microsoft in India. I sacrificed a lot to come back to India, and I was let down. I will never make the mistake again.
Let everyone know the truth about what really MGSI is:
1. They cheat and lie to their customers.
2. Their own employees don’t feel happy doing this day in and day out.
3. They are the most arrogant, cruel and abusive, uncultured people I have ever met.
4. They tarnish the image of the parent company.
5. There is no software process or SDLC in place.
6. If good code means ignoring requirements and just making sure that the code passes the rules engine, this is what they do.
7. Their idea of software development is to hire 10 engineers, tell them to do something and sleep over it.
8. They are busier trading blames with each other than anything else.
9. Forget international quality, even local Indian companies do a better job.
10. They have a closed mind.
Hi Janaki,
ReplyDeleteThank you very much for sharing the experience. I am also in the same path and would need inputs from you. Do you mind sharing the email id.
Thanks.
I have spent more than a decade at Microsoft Global services, now IGD (India Global Delivery). To thrive here and achieve success in terms of promotion, moving up roles, moving up in levels you need one of the following.
Delete1. Be a relative, friend, neighbor, family close to any of LT folks Delivery manger, Service practice leader, Director.
2. Be a diversity.
If you are very hard working, politically right, not direct, flexible, intelligent and be innocent, you may have some success but not guaranteed.
In soln engineering employees worked very hard for the managers to grow. The management is only concerned about how to save their ass, but not about employee develpment growth or rewarding their employees
ReplyDeleteReasons
Delete1. MS IGD is a private run tight knit group. The LT team has no backbone. They will never standup for their subordinates. This is very true especially in the middle management. Be it the Technical delivery mangers, delivery managers or practice directors.
a. Once you approach them with a problem, you will looked at against company, not have flexible mindset, problem creator. They won’t speak up or try to solve your problem by arguing for what is right, because they don’t want to offend their peers or managers.
b. They bring their own people, friends and families. They want to keep promoting their ALs. I suppose you understand what AL means.
c. They are incorrect collaborators in suit and coat. Most of the folks have been somehow caught warned when trying to take advantage of their diversity subordinate.
d. They hires lot of machs and college interns. They spend on them taking them to parties. Why???? Because these people will give them good score in MS poll. This way they continue to exist. If these interns, college fresh hires wake up and stand for themselves, the workplace would be much better. They are the future citizens, and they should not get enticed by cheap money, alcohol and shut up. This is how our nation is being managed. Shut the young up and they realize things are out of control. This is how our country was ruled by keeping the young in the dark.
e. The internal job posting is one of the biggest joke. Do you know where you will be posting for job that is already filled in or taken? It’s an eye wash. Name sake they will interview.
the LT team is always talking about employee growth just for the sake of talking. whatever LT initiative which has been taken is just eye wash or do not have any effort or results. They are only thinking about utilization and billing. people cannot take up work what they like. I hope amit is watching all this. either amit is a dumb guy or people under him are cheating him badlyy..
ReplyDelete2. Msigd Has Been Polluted By Former Msit People
Deletea. There was a organization called GDCI a decade back. This was called as global delivery center India. It became msit later. This team was then merged back to idc later. Now around early 2008 - 2010 many employees copied the CEO, LT of msit, idc and mgsi and sent communication on the reality. These employees exposed how the local people abused other state people, how they promoted their own dna, family friends and built an empire.
b. When this information become wide spread, few people from msit started moving into igd. They started building the same people. This folks, mfs, took on positions like engagement managers, professional development and resource managers and practice leaders and directors.
c. They then converted igd like msit slowly.
Thank you very much for the details. I got the interview call from this company. I will not attend. It will be wastage of time.
ReplyDeleteEverybody feels "Microsoft"-- But it is not professional.They are misusing Microsfot name.
Thanksssssssssssssssssssss
3. Only ALs gets promoted, encouraged
Deletea. Soon the same mf, LT folks encourage only people who will do al.
b. They will give 0 rating for people who speak up.
c. They will reprimand people who escalate on folks who are poor performers.
d. They will only encourage diversity colleagues that’s HR policy
All of us need to work 200% to make up for their diversity counterparts. I have also worked and managed many diversity who are real gems. Some of them colleagues are extremely talented, with high aspirations. But the other half need the pass to get promoted, get hike and survive.
please do not join mgsi...you will regret your whole life..
ReplyDelete
Delete4. Its NOT IDC
a. Unlike the lt in idc the lt in igd are non technical, sales, and non it managers who joined from other indian based service companies managing herds.
b. Idc lt is made up of talents similar to our CEO. They were once developers, program managers, product unit mangers and group managers. The mgsi, msgd, igd (multi named ms igd) have leadership who ever managers, team leads in companies like satyam, infosys, wipro, tcs. What can you expect??
c. The type of work in ms igd is that of pure consulting. Its about passing information from here and there, understanding customer, selling yourself and your team, lobbying ms products, delivery some solution to the customer. Unlike idc where there is lot of technical work, and hands on hard core development
Better together in this journey and better further from igd, Take care.
My interview with MSGI is scheduled today at 6 pm.Was just trying to google some interview questions and came across this thread.
ReplyDeleteI will attend this interview,not with the intension of joining.I could use it as a practice.
Thanks for the posting in the facts about these fraud mongers.
thanks
ReplyDeletethanks!
ReplyDeleteI has 3 rounds! they went well, but so many people cant be wrong! i really have second thoughts about getting into mgsi!
thanks again!
Thanks.. I had 2 rounds of interview. And those being positive, selected for 3rd round. What can be asked for hands on test? Any idea? Joining is secondary for me... first i should get thru this..
ReplyDeleteWell.. HR in MS India overall sucks.. it all depends on how much u suck up to them and accordingly you are either kept in the system or thrown out of the system.. its soo sad to play with peoples career like this..
ReplyDeletehahahah
ReplyDeletethey told me that my +2 marks are not good as I have got 75+ in My UG and PG after completing all rounds. The company itself founded by a college dropout and thse crap guys here made worse.
>>hahahah
ReplyDeletethey told me that my +2 marks are not good as I have got 75+ in My UG and PG after completing all rounds. The company itself founded by a college dropout and thse crap guys here made worse.
Not true as I know people who have not finished college being in MGSI :)....
U r a crib pot. This how india works.. U worked in US for some time and forgot about India/.
ReplyDeleteFinally.. the conclusion is.. u r not fit for India. In India only fit can survive..
Very sorry to hear the state of affairs in MS. But lets face it, most leaders in India are weak and so is the system.
ReplyDeletePeople tend to be on survival mode mostly and they are easily threatened with slight sight of intelligence from any of the team members.
But, there are organizations run by efficient leaders that provide environment conducive to nurture talent and contribution.
Hope you will find one of them next time :)
I am a MS employee, and have worked for IDC, Hyderabad for five years now, and so far, it has been a great ride. My accomplishments are acknowledged and rewarded. My team constantly strives to excel, and year after year, we have been getting good, meaty pieces to work on.
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to say, that one person having a bad experience doesn't necessarily mean that the whole company is bad.
I got selected in Microsoft services global delivery for associate consultant role.how many days it will take time to release after hr asking for documents .
Deletemy exp 2.7+
interview held on 10 aug 2014 and she asked documents on 12 .please reply me when can I expect offer
He is MSGD not IDC...
DeleteWhats the difference between MS IDC and MGSI ??
ReplyDeleteWhats the difference between MS IDC and MGSI ??
ReplyDeleteDo not join if you don't know the difference.
Hey guys,
ReplyDeletei cleared all tech rounds and faced the dirctor's round a couple of days back. How long do they generally take to let me know the results of the final round. They also asked me to send the soft copies of all documents a couple of days before the director's round.
But when woulkd they let me know the final roud n results ?
I got selected in Microsoft services global delivery for associate consultant role.how many days it will take time to release after hr asking for documents .
Deletemy exp 2.7+
interview held on 10 aug 2014 and she asked documents on 12 .please reply me when can I expect offer
HI... did you join MSGD? please let us know the experience so that it would be useful for us who are about to join the same.
DeleteI so agree, God bless those who are in MGSI at the moment! Not even a single person I met from MGSI in past 4-5 years ever came across as a happy and content soul, they are always in some kind of mad rat race. Aah "Mad Rat Race" - sounds common rite? But MGSI is different. It's rat race is gonna transform you completely into a true mad rat, with no purpose in life, or even at job, a loser on family front, a disaster as a person! But yes, the packages, the brand name - 'Microsoft' makes it difficult for the rats inside MGSI to realize what's happening to them unless they come out of it, and look at it from outside! Just a few months here are gonna assure that you will loose on your health front as well, and end up paying 'whatever extra MGSI offers to you as compared to other companies' on your medical treatments.
ReplyDeletewat will be the salary for 2yr experienced tere?
ReplyDeleteWat does associate consultant mean?
I can take sweat if the money is really good. But nobody would talk about that - would they ?
ReplyDeleteI think who ever written this blog... he/she might not have any idea about the scenario on India based IT companies. As most of us know, major Indian based software companies not only have 90 days notice period, but also there will be some bond/agreement between the employees and company, if they were sending him/her onsite. Apart from that everybody may have an idea about the environment of top notch Indian IT Companies !!!
ReplyDeleteHi Viplav,
ReplyDeleteYou got your results?
What was the pkg range?
How was director's round? Any tips? I mit take up director's round in a couple of days!!
What all you guys talking, They pay huge salary, for 2 years exp tehy will pay 12 Lacs, which no other company will pay here in INDIA.
ReplyDeleteand in INDIA only Money matters..
Intuit India, Ebay India, Flipkart, CommVault, Amazon etc pay far more than that.
Deleteits 9 not 12 and they pay 9 to 4-5 years exp. people also , its like any other service based org
DeleteDecide whether you want money or peace of mind.
ReplyDeletetell me should i go for the interview and it is tomorrow. what should i do?my email is (vikastrust2005@gmail.com)
ReplyDeleteEven MSIT is the same. They run the show using Hitler's tactics. Forget about innovation, they are not even in 100 mile radius with it. They are arrogant and if you see during the interviews they expect you to know everything. They wan't c #,SQL server oldest/latest, Sharepoint, cloud computing, virtualisation, stacks, CodedUI, performance, TFS, Deployment, Environment Management, blah blah blah... They would want you to know everything. Are you kidding me... Forget about whether you use it later..It takes years to master one. They are barbaric and have utter disrespect to vendors. They pay for 8 hrs but make you slog 14 hrs.. Minimum.. be sure.. Very soon they take over your soul and though you might do extraordinary.. for them this is just ok and they challenge you again... Eventually whoever is close to managment gets the benefit. All their work gets done because of vendors... AND no vendor is happy.. People are scared to join Microsoft. I worked as both vendor and an employee. I saw that they have hired around 70 guys for a project and as soon as project got over they put a party at N grill and were asking employees to resign. I mean what a moron..
ReplyDeleteI work at MGSI and seriously regret joining this crap org.The leadership is weak and very dishonest. They will give you a wrong picture of the org.
ReplyDeleteThe only good thing in this org is the salary and is even good for the freshers.
Coming to work, you will always have to work under MCS and the bulk/stupid work gets offshored.
What is your take on Services Sr Project Manager at MGSI? How would be their career path? How much salary one can expect? U tend to travel to what all countries on this job?
DeleteI had an interview with MGSI for Services Sr Project Manager position. Can someone tell me what could be the salary range for this position and also how good or bad this position can be.
ReplyDeletein my entire career, the years which i worked as FTE of microsoft is the worst ever experience in my life .First there is a Telugu Group ,i wonder how many times i wanted to name this company as telugu-soft than microsoft .then there is the Tamil group and a north-indian group ,they look each other with prejudice .HR is just a name sake there .
ReplyDeletehorrible horrible experience awaits there .Innovation has a different definition there. most of the time what they project as innovation is just SH%^ in even in front of a layman .
The best thing is to spend time in MGSI till 18 months and then apply internall to other better teams at MS. This is what i did. If you love MS, working at a good team is also important to get the actual feel of the MS culture. MGSI rots the culture.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree more. This is the UGLY TRUTH !!!
ReplyDeleteI worked for MGSI [Now MSGD] for over 5 years and I must say peer groups and people are really good to work with except bunch of looser called PDRMs(People Manager) and Practice directors.
ReplyDeleteManagement is always busy creating culture of unhealthy competition with fancy schemes [in addition to your regular work which will be enough to cripple your personal/family life] to evaluate your performance which with your best efforts and intentions you'll not be able to finish. This gives them power to deny you a promotion or even inflation-adjusted-well-deserved-industry-standard raise.
Interestingly they will surprise you at the time of your performance evaluation that some hidden and undocumented goal is missed by you. Hello....!! and if you protest; you'll be stamped as bad apple.
Microsoft has business model of hours. More hours individual work more they save for Microsoft [Being cheap labour in India]. So quantity matters here not the quality. Thus the after spending some time in MSGD you'll forget about quality but rather will think like cheap Chinese factory labor on how to clock more and more hours doing "anything" and "everything".
These looser will ensure that you keep doing your hours irrespective of your skill-set/aspirations and will not hesitate to trade your soul to please their bosses in US. Being old and stuck they will do whatever they can to keep you worrying about your job and get you stuck to same hell with them with nowhere to go.
Finally; MSGD is not good pay master unless you're making via onsite. Dont be fooled with Microsoft tag as its just to trap to get talented people at low salaries [even by Indian standards].
-Ex MSGD
PDRMs and Practice directors are the biggest jokers in this organization. Leadership is absolutely dishonest and rogue. Management is trained to make the employees bakra. Don't get fooled by the name of Microsoft. HR is well tied up with the poor leadership in MSGD. Yes, only the fit!! can join and survive here. Well, the obvious question is what makes you fit here?? Read through the qualities of leadership above. That answers the question!!
ReplyDeleteSomewhere is this post there is line :
ReplyDelete"I hate it here, I wish I could leave, but I can’t" ...he never told me reason..
That employee is locked up , if he goes out his background verification will not be done positively , and his profile will be spoiled , that's why he can't leave. If he speaks about it he will become T.I ("Targeted Individual" , Google that phrase it and you will be shocked !!!)
The most dangerous thing about MSGD is ,if you are a person with big dreams like a enterprenuer or you are a open minded ,free thinked , you will be marked !
ReplyDeleteThere is someone in MSGD who has got serious power to make you a T.I (Targeted Individual) , which will spoil your life in every possible way after leaving the company ! Even more you will become victim of Gang Stalking.
THIS IS NOT JOKE , IT HAS HAPPENED WITH ME !
MY LIFE IS RUINED !!!
More read here:
http://targeted-individuals-europe.com/?q=node/4
http://whatreallyhappened.wikia.com/wiki/Gang_Stalking
I left the company after working for 2 yrs and regret joining the org when i actually saw this blog and did not beleive 2 yrs back. :-(
ReplyDeleteMSGD is only for people who joins from GTSC...good for them...from BPO to service delivery.
ReplyDeleteI just left around 2 weeks ago. Feels like i am released from something sick.The local company i am working at feel better that this brute place called MSGD....
ReplyDeleteI can 100% endorse the opinion presented above about the MGSI...If you really want to spoil your life and career join this company...
ReplyDeleteI am a MGSI (now called Global Delivery) employee and this place sucks...the main problem is the HR team, it is completely lost and makes up phantom policies as it goes and as it seems fit and no one will ever know the validity of the same as there is zero transparency. The problem is with the women in HR treating this place like a school and them the principal, they have no clue about a professional environment and what it takes to grow business and a company with good talent.
ReplyDeleteThis will be the worst Microsoft company to join and it is nothing better than a very ordinary Indian services company today, with the bad politics and credit given for the person who makes the most "pomp and show"
I left 4 months ago and i am fortunate and doing good. I am having full fun in my present job. My boss is inspiration for me and a role model for other employees.
ReplyDeleteThis is What i can say for MSGD-
Full of regional politics. Managers feels they are Super King and dominate . Employees treated as shit.
manager waste more time in planning to fuck-up other careers. HR is namesake and blind and tool that is use to treat people badly. lot of show business and eye wash for Microsoft. Do the apple polish and get the promotions and hikes.
MSGD do favoritism and promote their own less caliber guys in their group. They target individuals and do all possible things to destroy the career by collective feedback given by their selective guys.
If you are reading this , please do not join MSGD. Do not screw your life and career .
is there any automation in MSGD or everything is manual ?
Deletei just joined after reading this blog i feel how fool i was
ReplyDeleteThese MSGD folks are world class morons , they will give you sucn bad memories which you will never forget!
ReplyDeleteMSGD managers close minded dogs! They only bark or bite.
Hope you (reader ) get out of that place soon! God bless you.
Hello...X-MS Guys!!!
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think About the APEX group and Security Teams here in MS-India? Are they Equally same as express in above comments?
My few points here...
ReplyDelete1)Super close minded people. (as someone said above)
2)Cheap attitude and shamelessness are the necessary guts to stay at MSGD.
3)Strict HR Policy : "Make sure only AssLickers are promoted"
4)CONs and SCONs with L1 visas are kings , rest are dogs.
5)Telgu..Telgu..Telugu ....
These are unbelievably sick and "jealous" people @MSGD.. They wish to control your life even if after leaving the company, MSGD keeps tracking their x-employees.If you leave this place and go out and build a successful business , its something that will make them permanently ill.
ReplyDelete---Currently working at GD :( :(.
Too much shamelessness and too much basterdness this is what defines global delivery.
ReplyDeleteHi,
ReplyDeleteI know this thread was started quite a while back but I came across this as I was trying to make a decision to join MSGD, Hyderabad. I have been offered the role of an Associate Consultant with the Sharepoint group and I was thinking if it'd be wise to take up the offer. The reviews here cannot eb ignored but I still would like an opinion before I make a decision.
Thanks!
So what was your decision? You joined?
DeleteHi, have you joined there? what was your experience?
DeleteI got an interview scheduled next week for same SharePoint position.. have you joined there?
DeleteJoin, take experience then share it with us!!!
ReplyDelete"my work experience is mostly in MS Technologies"
ReplyDeleteSpeaks volumes about you as an engineer. :P
Misusing the name of Microsoft. This is not the how Microsoft work. Poor leadership and close vision. Ass lickers will be getting all the projects and promotions.
ReplyDeleteI had offer in UX and even after reading this I decided to attend the interview.As I have cleared 2 levels the final was face to face. Man!!!! Whatever its written in these blogs is 200% Correct. I can read from the faces of those people who interviewed me.Ego, Ignorance and fear, claiming themselves as NIDs these folks are such a bunch of fools. I wonder how these kind of people enter into this kind of orga ization.Thank god I was not selected.
ReplyDeletelucky me too...
Deletei didn't attend. Had information regarding their UX team.
NIDs are like that my friend..."people who don know how to design, code a single line...but know bluffing!!!"
Do you call copy/pasting, email forwarding and sending internet articles UX design? That's what their main job is and many guys find nirvana doing so. I don't even waste my time and energy to pity those so called UX designers and their leaders at GD.
DeleteYes i can call it UX Design... as its so india. The pitty face of design.People think here that design is somewhat learned and funniest thing is these IITs/NIDs. These people are only concerned with making thier asses SAFE!!!. Go to a DTP Center in India..you can see DESIGNER there with amazing Talent!!!
DeleteThe worst thing is that these people(NID/IIT) are now crawling into Interface design calling themselves as UX designers!!! and hopefully will ruin it. They were thrown away from graphic/visual design...animation design...motion design. Now only left is UI.
DeleteBut probably the same thing will happen here also!!! :)
Is anything here in India looks good!!!..Worth of calling a well designed product?
DeleteYes there is...go back to centuries back...See Taj Mahal, Thanjore temples etc...But they are not designed or created by an IIT/NID guys...
Thats it!!!
go and work for MSGD you will turn out as WASTE for industry. after some years you will find you do not know anything about current industry trends because either you will be busy in ass-licking of the various type of managers to approve the visa, to get projects, to get billable that part of your CTC and eventually you will turn out to be a slave.
ReplyDeleteIt is a crap organization spoiling the name of Microsoft and surviving under the mercy of MCS. You will come across the funniest/dumpest role in IT industry called PDRMs whos job is nothing other than a secretary or coordinator and get paid a hefty amount. They don't know anything about technology other than the name, they evaluate and decide your performance! And the worst part is Hindi is the first language in this company. I heard even many managers speaking in their native language Hindi in conference calls with US customers and they expect you to speak in Hindi. Soft skills of many managers are pathetic. Many of them don't even know how to form a sentence in English properly though they act like English/Americans. Company meeting is an ultimate pleasure when you will find these jokers on stage.
ReplyDeleteMany of these manager buffoons think that they can manage Bill Gates and they can invent Windows! There are a bunch of managers who are only interested in chasing skirts and getting into it. I came across managers who hire female employees who were no hire on technical and hands on rounds. Long story short if you are not into ass kissing or you don’t wear a skirt and ready to lick your manager, don’t get fascinated with the Microsoft name. There are lot of stories floating about illicit behavior of Managers including PDRMs, Ems/PMs in the company. MSGD is nowhere near to Microsoft culture.
Lol. I do agree that PDRMs are the funniest/dumbest role in MSGD.
ReplyDeleteIn MSGD,people think they are the most intelligent people on earth but actually they are the most dumbest people on earth. This Org. teach you only one thing - go and lick ass of your managers,satisfy their egos.
Even though you are excellent technically/functionally,work hard, got client appreciations,work beyond office timings,never got any escalations.
Above stated things would not suffice to get a good rating ,you have to satisfy their egos.
How could you satisfy their egos:-
1. Go for lunch with them
2. Spend weekends with them
3. Enjoy in Party.
4. have tea with them.
5. Have drinks with them.
6. Watch Movies with them.
7. Praise them ,below are the examples seen here
a. You looks so young even though he is completely bald.
b. oh you are so young i thought you must be fresher. In reality she looks like your grand maa.
c. You are so intelligent.In real, Xth standard student has more IQ than him/her.
d. Play Cricket with them. Make sure while bowling your manager should get a six or four.
Come very late ,Spend Nights in office.You will become star.
Keep Licking ass then only you can survive .Avoid Licking get firing,escalations,bad reputation,insult etc.
any idea on which one is better MSIT or MSIDC ? if u don't want onsite and need work life balance ? IS SDE 2 position good after 6 years of experiecne
DeleteI came across such dump nuts like Sanjeev Dhokte and Pankaj Goel. Real donkeys who spoils MS brand and curse to the IT industy.
Deletehttps://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=33230818&authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=y066&locale=en_US&trk=tyah&trkInfo=clickedVertical%3Amynetwork%2Cidx%3A1-1-1%2CtarId%3A1428320507141%2Ctas%3Asanjeev
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I have faced the same , and I agree with most of your points.
ReplyDeletethank you for this advice.
ReplyDeleteregards
vinodh
How about sharing the names of these worst PDRMs and Managers? So that the industry knows them for good
ReplyDeleteWow. This is a very useful blog. I started reading the comments ever since 2010 thru now and looks like the culture doesn't seem to have improved. Has been quite useful for me in deciding that I shdnt take up a job in this org.
ReplyDeletenot a good company to work with. misusing brand name.
ReplyDeleteWorked as a vendor there...almost died due to work pressure :D
ReplyDeleteMSGD Microsoft services global delivery
ReplyDeleteI got selected in Microsoft services global delivery for associate consultant role.how many days it will take time to release after hr asking for documents .
ReplyDeletemy exp 2.7+
interview held on 10 aug 2014 and she asked documents on 12 .please reply me when can I expect offer
Be aware of fancy Brand name . it is not recommended to join only because of brand name . Make sure you know who will be your manager and have conversion. if you get bad vibes, do not join under him. he may screw your career and 90 % of MSGD India managers are holding a reputation of being very crooked and deceptive. they will go any length to screw your career in MSGD if you fail to entertain them.
ReplyDeleteI have an interview tis week..plz tel me wthr its a gud option to attend or not?
ReplyDeleteStay away from this company.You will become useless and no market value after working few years here.Promoted pdrms are king if they don't like you wearing red cap they will give you lowest rating during annual review and there is no HR policy.
ReplyDeleteThank you guys..i had got offer last week but I refused and joined other company with little less CTC but more peace of mind ��
ReplyDeleteCan anyone please tell me, How long it takes to complete interview process ? And what kind of questions will be asked..
ReplyDeleteFor MSGD security associate...
any idea on which one is better MSIT or MSIDC ? if u don't want onsite and need work life balance ?
ReplyDeletethey say Bonus minimum 20% you will get and upto 50%.
ReplyDeleteAnd this is based on uvi and cti.
Could someone confirm how much minimum bonus one can expect ?
They have changed name now as MSGD, never never join there, they are not part of Microsoft, specially mid level leaders are lickers, they even lick ass to get promotion, never join there, better if you get opportunity in IDC than join.
ReplyDeleteI had around 8 years experience when i joined MSGD, and have done around 3 end-to end implementations in my previous organization. I joined based on the JD, i honestly thought this will take my skills to the next level. It was such a shocker, when i realized that the job had no relevance to the JD i was provided.
ReplyDeleteI still remember i was asked by the director, " what does Sr. Consultants do in your org?" I replied "as part of the team i was in, we will do implementation projects and mostly the architecture however was designed by an Architect." he replied back saying "Over here Sr Consultants do design/architect roles".
There are some guys who are talented, no doubt, but on an average a Sr Cons and Architects are very average. Some times i felt i was much better off them. Once during a meeting, an architect asked "what is an xml file?" .
For 2 years i felt everyday that i was working with below average people and i wondered what gave them promotions.
In my 2 years i came across one, who had some good skills and was a Sr Consultant.
If you really care about peace of mind, never join such crap orgs!!
I came across such dump nuts Managers like Sanjeev Dhokte and Pankaj Goel. Real donkeys who spoils MS brand and a curse to the IT industy.
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Also there is another manger : Anupama Dutt. (Linked in profile: https://in.linkedin.com/in/anudutt. For last two years she ruined many employees career. I am a woman employee. Last year I raised multiple concern about my work life balance and other ethical violation. But she not supported me and constantly acted against me. Also she prefer people who like to lick her shoes than the hardworking and talented people. She doesn't have any quality, talent to be a manager in Microsoft. For her many employees left in past 2 years. She is totally selfish, dishonest, unethical and unprofessional person. Most of the people don't want to work under her. But no action has been taken against her from management. Finally I have to leave Microsoft because of her.
DeleteI am also interviewed for the project where Anupama Dutt is manager and she only interviewed me. Please guide me if i can join or i should search for other options.
DeleteAdd one more name that guy is Anil Gupta
DeleteMSGD Dickhead managers would stoop to any level to torture employee and they prefer to higher heedless chickens.
ReplyDeleteI have been working in MS in both MSIT and MSGD and agree with most of the comments...
ReplyDeletein MSGD People are mostly concerned with the hours they are logging and not the quality and no body cares. all they care about is taht the dashboard is green no matter how you do it by hook or by crook
i also worked both in MSIT and MSGD in MSGD only hours which you log matters
ReplyDeleteGuys, UX guys are such a fool in this organization. Very Very unprofessional even they don't know how to take Interviews.A so called UX consultant took my 2nd round of Interview and I was surprised that that guy was very Unprofessional and even was not clear on the Basics of Designs.
ReplyDeleteHe was not Cleat about Graphic Designer and Visual Designers jobs. He didn't ask much assignment related questions, I know he was feeling insecure. Seriously Microsoft have to do something on this else this kind of guys can spoil Microsoft Name.
I wish that guy meet me somewhere then I will teach him what exactly is design and how to take Interview.
Pathetic Experience, Never recommend MSGD.
I got offer in Microsoft services it Hyderabad as software engineer 2 and also have offer at x decent current company who is ready to process my l1 for five years which one to go for ?
ReplyDeleteWhat about GTSC? Any one has any idea about this? How is package for 5+ and how is the career??
ReplyDeleteAlso in same boat, let me know your experience
DeleteWhat about GTSC? Any one has any idea about this? How is package for 5+ and how is the career??
ReplyDeleteRajesh, This is a forum created by the losers who could not make it in to Microsoft. I have worked in Microsoft and I do not agree to a single word. You know when people fail and are marked Under Performers they tend to take revenge in the way that is described in this post.
ReplyDeleteIs the situation still same or some what changed. I have an good offer but looking at these comments I am bit uncomfortable.Can you guys pls suggest.
ReplyDeleteHi,
ReplyDeleteI have been selected in MSGD recently. So I wanted to know what kind of job profile it will have me as a software developer? I have an experience of around 3 and half years. so what range of CTC they will provide? And will it be good now to join or the situation is still worse as above?
Hi... Did you join MSGD..? Please guide us with your experience so that it would be really helpful for us. And also kindly us know CTC they offered.
DeleteMSGD is the worst place to be work. Never join in such organization. Their compensation is pretty poor. Yearly hike is never going above 1 digit for last 1 year. Stock level is lowest among all Microsoft subsidiaries. In other Microsoft entry fresher's used to join in level 59, but in MSGD it is starting with level 56. It will take minimum 30-48 month to be promoted in next level. No stock option until you are reaching level 59. And again stock option is very poor compare to other Microsoft entry. In MS IDC with 8years experience CTC will be base 20-30 L + 3-6 L bonus + 5-12 L stock. But in MSGD, you can get 12-18 L range. Not more than that. Quality of management is very poor. No growth mindset. Only foot licker will be promoted and given better opportunities. One of the biggest Microsoft values openness, Honesty and transparency are string prohibited in here. No meritocracy. 90% strong technical people can't sustain in this organization long time.
ReplyDelete"Yearly hike is never going above 1 digit for last 1 year" it is true for last 3-4 years. So be aware when you join this organization. In next 2 years you expect your yearly hike will be 3-7% range only. If you perform very good and if you join in little higher level with better salary, then forget about next 3-4 years. It will never go beyond 7 % range. First 2 years you expect only 3-5 % range only.
ReplyDeleteAlso many people join in this organization for Onsite aspiration. But now OC opertunity is reduced and so many people are already in queue. So you expect to get OC opertunity only after 2-3 years. Also 80% of the OC opertunity are short term (3-6 month only), with out much onsite benefit.
ReplyDeleteThere is a manger : Anupama Dutt. (Linked in profile: https://in.linkedin.com/in/anudutt.) For last two years she ruined many employees career. I am a woman employee. Last year I raised multiple concern about my work life balance and other ethical violation. But she not supported me and constantly acted against me. Also she prefer people who like to lick her shoes than the hardworking and talented people. She doesn't have any quality, talent to be a manager in Microsoft. For her many employees left in past 2 years. She is totally selfish, dishonest, unethical and unprofessional person. Most of the people don't want to work under her. But no action has been taken against her from management. Finally I have to leave Microsoft because of her.
ReplyDeleteI got interviewed by Anupama Dutt in last week for one of the position in Microsoft. After reading this feedback i am really surprise that this would be happening with Microsoft. Not sure if this is a good option to join MS.
DeleteYes she is one of the worst manager..
DeleteHi,
ReplyDeleteI got selected for MSGD (Hyd location)
and iam having 9 years of exp in dotnet and I got 57 stock level.Is is good level or not.
hi,
ReplyDeletecan any one tell me if I join MSGD as .NET developer Consultant, is there any option that I can switch in MSIDC or MSIT after working some time in MSGD project?
Please tell me the process if there is some.
Thanks
do not join i joined after college i got 56 level
ReplyDeleteSwitching is not easy. They will maKe you die in GD or get out.
ReplyDeleteI was MSGD and w inerviewed by a Service Sr Delivery Manager Mr. Anbu. How is his team for Migragtions...I am now in IBM.
ReplyDelete1-2 years experience is what u need for the job.
DeleteDo not ever join GD..honestly
ReplyDeleteWhy this is not aligned Reviews and feedback from glassdoor ??
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ReplyDeleteI got selected into Microsoft GTSC, Banglore as Partner Technical Consultant. What should be the Salary I should ask them?
ReplyDeleteAlso Should I join or just refuse the offer whenever they do?
Hi also interested in GTSC salary currently having 8 yrs exp and 16lc pa.
DeleteJust before joining MGSI I met an someone in a party who was previously the GM before Amit took over. This is what he told me "I don't know if I should congratulate you". It took me two years to realize why he said that.
ReplyDeleteNever Ever Ever Join GD,Lots of poliics, You will be brainwashed,
ReplyDeleteI was called for an interview. I was excited looking at the brand Microsoft. Please let me know if its better to quit at this point. I had 2 years of developer experience.
DeleteI am going through process for MSGD Hyd... I had 2 yrs of dev experience.. Please let me know if better I can drop or continue with complete process of interview :(
ReplyDeleteThe reviews doesn't match glass-door or any other online forum is because MS culture and MSGD culture are totally different. Whatever written in this blog are 99% correct. DONT JOIN MSGD. The salary what they will offer you and what you will get in hand will be much lesser.
ReplyDeleteI was in Infrastructure services at MSGD, the kind of projects this guy's have is horrible. They cannot be compared with any top consulting firms.
ReplyDeleteLeft long ago but situation still same. Poisonous Island!!
ReplyDeleteThe situation is still the same and it will never change. The upper level management, mid level management are total bunch of jerks and their only technique of getting a job done is threatening and intimidation. Am not really sure how in a company every project is going for recovery and you will not believe in MSGD 95% projects go into recovery mode which means you need to work every weekend. If you are from DOT NET, C#, AZURE Dev, Mobile App please do not join here as its one of the worst divisions to be in.
ReplyDeleteI got an interview call from MSGD and happened to come across this post. The discussion during the interview process validated the comments about third rate outsourcing work that is thrown at this centre.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the HR (met some Sujith in Bangalore) appeared more of a slave driver.
Boss - you guys (not through headhunter) called me for an interview and then ask me why you want to join. Ridiculous.
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Mahesh Nalla is another manager there in GD never trust him...
ReplyDeleteThey are so incompetent that the hired wrong skilled people at first and they fired them when MCS escalations piled up..of course they corrected their mistakes but at the cost of peoples career and livelihood.
ReplyDeleteHow about Project Manager roles in MSGD?
ReplyDeleteI used to work under Anbarasan Murugan. He is the biggest liar you will ever come across. Do not join , I repeat DO NOT JOIN MSGD if you want peace in your life. Anbu likes when people lick his @$$. People there are worse than worst with no morals and ethics.
ReplyDeleteAnbarasan Murugan played politics with his own team member. He asked his a guy not to work or help another guy to make tgat guy suffer in job. He is ass licker of bosses. And if he is reading this he should know soon Karma will get him
DeleteYes man. He is a big time a$$h0le. There are many in MSGD. He is a shameless creature and if he is reading this then he wouldn't be ashamed of his actions either. There are other asslickers such Bakul Jais, Aravind Chandramohan, Mahesh Nalla and Suresh Jeyakumar. My God, they are beyond incompetent guys in MSGD. I am just waiting for a chance to work as a customer with MSGD and one mistake from them, an email will be sent to Satya Nadella to show these asslicker's incompetency. They should pay for what from what they have done to the individuals.
DeleteI left MSGD last month after working there for almost 2.7 years and I am at peace now. I am working with IBM as a Technical Architect.
Why to name individuals in MSGD? Aren't these cockroaches bread by top bosses like CVPs and Satya Nadella himself? Why anyone is not doing anything about the situation there? I am just waiting for our next true-up with Microsoft and then I will screw that Account Manager's eyeballs out after showing this blog to him.
DeleteAnbu murughan, maheshwara md, praveen KT and the gang is cartel. They colluded with top bosses to crush anyone who speaks about their malpractices. Maheswaran can go anylenghan to screw you up!
DeleteIGD sucks. Quality sucks. Developer quality is very bad. Estimations unbelievable. Very expensive to work with.
ReplyDeleteGuys, please refer to this quora blog for detailed information on what happened to people in MSGD: https://www.quora.com/Is-Microsoft-Global-Delivery-MSGD-Hyderabad-a-good-place-to-work-at
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing such a great useful information
ReplyDeleteI was in interview with MSGD and I was two rounds pass of interview and was waiting for the last manegerial round when I came across this blog, it was such disheartening to read this I had went there with all high hope as its my dream company. After reading the post when I was called for interview I was totally laid back and emphasize how I hate politics and favourism while I was asked manegerial question.
ReplyDeleteI got an offer to joi as consultant in msgd... all the guys i spoke to during interviews were very polite.
ReplyDeleteAre these comments really true? I dont thing everyone will have same negative experience with the company...
Did you join ??
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I have spent more than a decade at Microsoft Global services, now IGD (India Global Delivery)and 2 decades in Microsoft . To thrive here and achieve success in terms of promotion, moving up roles, moving up in levels you need one of the following.
ReplyDelete1. Be a relative, friend, neighbor, family close to any of LT folks Delivery manger, Service practice leader, Director.
2. Be a diversity.
If you are very hard working, politically right, not direct, flexible, intelligent and be innocent, you may have some success but not guaranteed.
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Reasons
1. MS IGD is a private run Mafia group. The LT team has no backbone. They will never standup for their subordinates. This is very true especially in the middle management. Be it the Technical delivery mangers, delivery managers or practice directors.
a. Once you approach them with a problem, you will looked at against company, not have flexible mindset, problem creator. They won’t speak up or try to solve your problem by arguing for what is right, because they don’t want to offend their peers or managers.
b. They bring their own people, friends and families. They want to keep promoting their A$$L1king.
c. They are henchmen in suit and coat. Most of the folks have been somehow caught warned when trying to take advantage of their diversity subordinate.
d. They hires lot of machs and college interns. They spend on them taking them to parties. Why???? Because these people will give them good score in MS poll. This way they continue to exist. If these interns, college fresh hires wake up and stand for themselves, the workplace would be much better. They are the future citizens, and they should not get enticed by cheap money, alcohol and shut up. This is how our nation is being managed. Shut the young up and they realize things are out of control. This is how our country was ruled by keeping the young in the dark.
e. The internal job posting is one of the biggest joke. Do you know where you will be posting for job that is already filled in or taken? It’s an eye wash. Name sake they will interview.
2. Msigd Has Been Polluted By Former Msit People
a. There was a organization called GDCI a decade back. Now around early 2008 - 2010 many employees copied the CEO, LT of msit, idc and mgsi and sent communication on the reality. These employees exposed how the local telugu people abused other state people, how they promoted family friends.
b. When this information become wide spread, people from msit started moving into igd. They started building the same people.
3. Only ALs gets promoted, encouraged
a. Soon the same mf, LT folks encourage only people who will do al.
b. They will give 0 rating for people who speak up.
c. They will reprimand people who escalate on folks who are poor performers.
d. They will only encourage diversity colleagues that’s HR policy
All of us need to work 200% to make up for their diversity counterparts. I have also worked and managed many diversity who are real gems. Some of them colleagues are extremely talented, with high aspirations. But the other half need the pass to get promoted, get hike and survive.
4. Its NOT IDC
a. Unlike the lt in idc the lt in igd are non technical, sales, and non it managers who joined from other indian based service companies managing herds.
b. Idc lt is made up of talents similar to our CEO. They were once developers, program managers, product unit mangers and group managers. The mgsi, msgd, igd (multi named ms igd) have leadership who ever managers, team leads in companies like satyam, infosys, wipro, tcs. What can you expect??
c. The type of work in ms igd is that of pure consulting. Unlike idc where there is lot of technical work, and hands on hard core development
Better together in this journey and better further from igd, Take care.
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ReplyDeleteThis is me from the present who knows a bit about how Microsoft global delivery India is. It's not as bad as how it's mentioned here.
It's changed a lot from how these comments outline it.
If you don't have any better product based company offers or better consulting offers, then take it.
Lol it is still same I am working here from 2022 and I regret it daily. My skills are vanished I can't see myself growing.
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